is there a better strategy for peace talks with the taliban? that could actually produce a formal end to the war, our departure really can't. jenna: if you would, michael, because the last time you were in afghanistan i remember reading some of your notes from that trip. you said at that time you said the taliban are not winning now, but that that could change, and so when we're looking at a war and finishing it and who won and who lost if the taliban are negotiated with is that a win for us? is it a win for the american people and our security? >> i think our core security goal is to make sure that the government in afghanistan is in control of its own territory to the point where terrorists sanctuaries cannot spring up again. that is the core american national security goal. we'd like to be able to also keep an eye on pakistan's western provincess from that area as well and continue some of the operations that as you know we've been conducting from afghanistan to go after terrorists there too. those are our core interests. everything else is